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Wikibase lexeme

Duden node ID

Under discussion

Description	numeric identifier of an entry in the Duden
Represents	lexeme (Q111352)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	lexeme
Allowed values	[1-9][0-9]{2,}
Example 1	zwischen (L302428) → `213628`
Example 2	Wikipedia (L221977) → `205799`
Example 3	Luftballon (L99) → `91371`
Source	https://www.duden.de/
Planned use	add to existing German lexemes (and perhaps replace P8376 on those lexemes?)
Number of IDs in source	current very loose upper-bound estimate: 399,000 (on seeing node '399770' for the word '2G-Regel' and on finding '569' to be the lowest node for '24-Sekunden-Regel')
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://www.duden.de/node/$1
See also	Duden lexeme ID (P8376), Duden sense ID (P12641)

Motivation

This property is intended as a substitute for (not as something to coexist with) P8376, mainly to avoid needing to deal with multiple values being present on a lexeme due to URL changes. It would provide a unique and hopefully little more stable identifier for entries in the most trusted German dictionary.

The value for this property can be found both below the heading, when clicking "Als Quelle verwenden" (the quotation mark) and noting the value between 'node' and 'revision' within the URL, and in multiple parts within the <head> element as part of an image URL (presumably used in link previews): https://www.duden.de/og-image/569.png is the image for '24-Sekunden-Regel' and https://cdn.duden.de/lexem_images/399770.png that for '2G-Regel'.

(Regarding value stability: when looking at the earliest captures of the formatter URL's prefix, the values prior to April 2019 all had values greater than 1000000 (except for '10' and '1220') and all pointed to non-entries. Those captured after April 2019, which appear uniformly to be within the range of IDs given above, still resolve to the same entries five years later—Panamaer (L931866) from 1 May 2019, Remix (L761972) from 30 April 2019, and Neger (L804760) from 26 April 2019.)

(I have begun an index of these values and will slowly add them to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন) once this property is created. I would be open to performing the necessary substitutions of P8376 myself as well.) Mahir256 (talk) 13:53, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Hmm, do we want to plan to replace the other ID with this one? ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to add this in addition to the existing property, fine, but I would be opposed to replacing the existing property with this one:

It's not what people actually use for linking (global search for "duden.de/node/" finds just 122 results, versus more than the limit of 10,000 for "duden.de/rechtschreibung/"), so only having the node ID would make our data difficult to compare with what other places have.

The node IDs are not very easy to find or use. I had trouble finding it even when I knew it should be on the page somewhere, it can only be accessed by clicking certain things and following the link redirects to a page without the node ID in the URL, which makes it hard to tell whether a particular link is for a particular entry or not. Both of those points make it more likely that people will add the wrong values to the property.

A lexeme doesn't have a single current node ID: An entry typically has multiple pages (definition page, synonyms page, inflections page) and each page has its own node ID which has no obvious connection to the other pages for that entry, e.g. https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Hund is 68862, https://www.duden.de/deklination/substantive/Hund is 385837 and https://www.duden.de/synonyme/Hund is 251193.

The node IDs appear to be less stable than the normal URLs: In my experience, the normal URLs are pretty stable. The changes I've seen all seem to come from them recently simplifying the ones with multiple disambiguation parts (now they only include one), but the previous values redirect to the new values. (Much like how a merge on Wikidata results in the previous ID redirecting to the new ID). I looked at one page where the URL changed and immediately found that https://web.archive.org/web/20110627114010/http://www.duden.de:80/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "http://www.duden.de/zitieren/10020253/1.5", https://web.archive.org/web/20151013073540/http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "http://www.duden.de/node/651609/permalink?destination=node/651609" and https://web.archive.org/web/20220517054827/https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Band_Gewebestreifen_Fessel has "https://www.duden.de/node/18218/revision/496432". Both the "zitieren" link and previous "node" link are 404s, while the original URL from 2011 still works now.

If you want a single value for the current property, you should be using best ranked statements. If a lexeme has multiple best ranked statements, then either one now redirects and the other hasn't been set to preferred rank, or someone has conflated two entries.

- Nikki (talk) 02:46, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Mahir256:, could you please clarify the comments above by @Nikki:. Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:30, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose maybe instead, we should have a seperate Drupal node id property (analogous to MediaWiki page ID (P9675)). Duden has little incentive to keep node ids stable, they have on the other hand a strong incentive to keep the slug stable for SEO reasons. If it comes to a redesign, nobody is going to care about node ids. This happened before in the past: Archiv, das at some point had the node id 704401 which today is dead. the current node id for Archiv, das is 8452 –Shisma (talk) 09:38, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also note: that all pages in this drupal have a node id, not just lexemes. For instance

238998 → Terms and Conditions
213867 → Orthographical rules concerning the apostrophe

that's not an argument agains having this property but it might throw off your estimation of Number of IDs in source – Shisma (talk) 11:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Te Aka Māori Dictionary ID

Ready ^Create

Description	entry for a word in the online version of John C. Moorfield’s Te Aka Māori Dictionary
Represents	Te Aka Māori Dictionary (Q116838232)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	lexeme
Example 1	wai (L8347) 9019
Example 2	kai (L1327127) 1894
Example 3	tūī (L1024707) 8660
Formatter URL	https://maoridictionary.co.nz/word/$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Te Aka Māori Dictionary (Q116838232)

Motivation

Te Aka Māori Dictionary (Q116838232) is a comprehensive and well-referenced dictionary which can be linked to Māori lexemes. -عُثمان (talk) 18:54, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Mahir256 (talk) 17:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎He Pātaka Kupu ID

Ready ^Create

Description	entry for a word in the online version of the Māori dictionary He Pātaka Kupu
Represents	He Pātaka Kupu (Q126210616)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	kuau (L305637) 3038
Example 2	wai (L8347) 11078
Example 3	kai (L1327127) 1781
Formatter URL	https://hepatakakupu.nz/word/$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	He Pātaka Kupu (Q126210616)

Motivation

He Pātaka Kupu (Q126210616) is a high quality monolingual dictionary which can be linked to Māori lexemes. -عُثمان (talk) 19:00, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Mahir256 (talk) 18:28, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Oqaasersiorfik ID

Done: Oqaasersiorfik ID (P12803) (Talk and documentation)

Description	entry for a Greenlandic lexeme in the online version of Oqaasersiorfik (2008)
Represents	Oqaasersiorfik (Q126282047)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	oqaluuseraa (L30582) 8889
Example 2	bussi (L1327408) 2512
Example 3	musliimi (L1320754) 7000
Number of IDs in source	17327
Formatter URL	https://ordbog.gl/2008-kal/#e$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Oqaasersiorfik (Q126282047)

Motivation

A property for this monolingual dictionary would make a useful addition to Greenlandic lexemes alongside Oqaasileriffik online dictionary ID (P5912) -عُثمان (talk) 19:15, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment Needs a subject item and applicable stated in value. AdamSeattle (talk) 07:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Added عُثمان (talk) 00:10, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I am ready to add this to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন). Mahir256 (talk) 01:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@AdamSeattle, عُثمان, Mahir256: Done as Oqaasersiorfik ID (P12803). Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 12:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Greenlandic-English Dictionary ID

Ready ^Create

Description	entry for a Greenlandic lexeme in the online version of the University of Chicago & Oqaasileriffik Greenlandic-English Dictionary (2018)
Represents	Greenlandic-English Dictionary (Q126282066)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	oqaluuseraa (L30582) 9445
Example 2	bussi (L1327408) 2653
Example 3	musliimi (L1320754) 7547
Number of IDs in source	17702
Formatter URL	https://ordbog.gl/2018-kal-eng/#e$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	Greenlandic-English Dictionary (Q126282066)

Motivation

A property for this bilingual dictionary would make a useful addition to Greenlandic lexemes alongside Oqaasileriffik online dictionary ID (P5912) -عُثمان (talk) 19:20, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Comment Needs a subject item and applicable stated in value. AdamSeattle (talk) 07:48, 1 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added عُثمان (talk) 00:11, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support AdamSeattle (talk) 03:00, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I am ready to add this to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন). Mahir256 (talk) 01:30, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

MoFo ID

Under discussion

Description	entry for a Greenlandic morpheme in Stian Lybech’s online database of morphemic forms
Represents	MoFo - A dictionary of Morphemic Forms (Q126364348)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	lu (L1328047) 10
Example 2	aaveq (L1328076) 2
Example 3	angivoq (L1327975) 119
Formatter URL	https://mofo.oqa.dk/Morphemes/Details/$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	MoFo - A dictionary of Morphemic Forms (Q126364348)

Motivation

MoFo - A dictionary of Morphemic Forms (Q126364348) is a small database of 358 morphemes in Greenlandic. These grammatical/functional elements mostly do not have their own entries in Greenlandic dictionaries, making this a useful resource for them. It also includes entries for a handful of items in the general lexicon which have defective or irregular inflectional paradigms. -عُثمان (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support Mahir256 (talk) 13:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DAKA Greenlandic-Danish Dictionary ID

Under discussion

Description	entry for a Greenlandic lexeme in the online DAKA dictionary
Represents	DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	lu (L1328047) 7044
Example 2	aaveq (L1328076) 369
Example 3	angivoq (L1327975)} 1387
Formatter URL	https://iserasuaat.gl/daka/daka?f=lo&l=0&p=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971)

Motivation

DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971) is one of the more popular general purpose Greenlandic dictionaries, and includes some entries for some lexical items not covered by the other proposed properties. -عُثمان (talk) 11:52, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

DAKA Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary ID

Under discussion

Description	entry for a Danish lexeme in the online DAKA dictionary
Represents	DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	ampere (L739651) 825
Example 2	vores (L35289) 35047
Example 3	underbukser (L235280)} 33530
Formatter URL	https://iserasuaat.gl/daka/daka?f=lo&l=1&p=$1
Applicable "stated in"-value	DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971)

Motivation

DAKA Greenlandic-Danish & Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary (Q126367971) is one of the more popular general purpose Greenlandic dictionaries. This is the reverse dictionary corresponding to the proposal above. -عُثمان (talk) 12:05, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Farhang-i forsī ba rusī ID

Under discussion

Description	entry for a Persian lexeme in the farhang.ru online reproduction of Yuri Rubinchik’s Persian–Russian dictionary
Represents	no label (Q126368177)
Data type	External identifier
Example 1	نارنجستان/норинҷистон (L1186957) 6ade71dac83141ea9f264a989c62b0d6
Example 2	جنبش‌شناسی/ҷунбишшиносӣ (L1003235) 09a68ee65e0f4aa5a8f7c15b5684ff3a
Example 3	کاتابولیسم/котобулисм (L1254011)} 5e0461b9ea134ebe82c5cf436dcaa0f6
Formatter URL	https://farhang.ru/lexeme/$1.html
Applicable "stated in"-value	no label (Q126368177)

Motivation

Q126368177 is a digital reproduction of Yuri Rubinchik’s Persian–Russian dictionary. It contains entries for some items which do not have entries in the other three Persian dictionary properties we currently have (such as the first example here, for example). -عُثمان (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

‎Tommaseo-Bellini Online ID

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an entry in the reproduction of Tommaseo and Bellini's Italian dictionary hosted at tommaseobellini.it
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Italian lexemes
Allowed values	[1-9][0-9]+
Example 1	abbandonare (L642012) → 441
Example 2	abbarbagliare (L1203047) → 455
Example 3	abbastanza (L1165403) → 490
Source	https://www.tommaseobellini.it/#/items
Planned use	add to existing Italian lexemes and to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন)
Number of IDs in source	120,594
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://api.tommaseobellini.it/api/text?delta=0&html=true&id=$1
See also	Treccani Vocabulary ID (P5844), Garzanti Linguistica ID (P6266), Il Nuovo De Mauro ID (P12420)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Dictionary of the Italian Language by Nicolò Tommaseo and Bernardo Bellini (Q902438)

Motivation

This property is a numeric identifier for Italian lexemes. (Like Sõnaveeb lexeme ID (P11138), this property's formatter URL links to a single entry, but without any CSS as that is expected to be provided by the main tommaseobellini.it page.) Mahir256 (talk) 20:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support -عُثمان (talk) 13:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

‎Tesoro della Lingua Italiana delle Origini ID

Under discussion

Description	identifier for an entry in the online reproduction of Pietro G. Beltrami's dictionary at tlio.ovi.cnr.it
Data type	External identifier
Domain	Italian lexemes
Allowed values	[0-9]{6}
Example 1	abbandonare (L642012) → 000042
Example 2	abbarbagliare (L1203047) → 000047
Example 3	abbastanza (L1165403) → 000066
Source	http://tlio.ovi.cnr.it/
Planned use	add to existing Italian lexemes and to Mishramilan (মিশ্রমিলন)
Number of IDs in source	44,892
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://tlio.ovi.cnr.it/voci/$1.htm
See also	Treccani Vocabulary ID (P5844), Garzanti Linguistica ID (P6266), Il Nuovo De Mauro ID (P12420)
Applicable "stated in"-value	Tesoro della Lingua Italiana delle Origini (Q111993966)

Motivation

This property is a numeric identifier for Italian lexemes. Mahir256 (talk) 20:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support -عُثمان (talk) 13:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikibase form

Wikibase sense

‎SALDO sense ID

Under discussion

Description	identifier for a sense in SALDO
Represents	SALDO (Q82799152)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	sense
Allowed values	/A-Za-zäöå.-_0-9/
Example 1	L32192-S1→ordbok..1
Example 2	L47698-S1→pass..1
Example 3	L39238-S1→galen..1
Source	https://github.com/dpriskorn/LexSALDO
Number of IDs in source	130000
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://spraakbanken.gu.se/ws/saldo-ws/lid/html/$1
Single-value constraint	yes

Motivation

This is an important identifier for senses in Swedish.

Discussion

Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 18:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Other

Wikidata:Property proposal/Lexemes

See also

Wikibase lexeme

Duden node ID

Motivation

Discussion

‎Te Aka Māori Dictionary ID

Motivation

Discussion

‎He Pātaka Kupu ID

Motivation

Discussion

‎Oqaasersiorfik ID

Motivation

Discussion

Greenlandic-English Dictionary ID

Motivation

Discussion

MoFo ID

Motivation

Discussion

DAKA Greenlandic-Danish Dictionary ID

Motivation

Discussion

DAKA Danish-Greenlandic Dictionary ID

Motivation

Discussion

Farhang-i forsī ba rusī ID

Motivation

Discussion

‎Tommaseo-Bellini Online ID

Motivation

Discussion

‎Tesoro della Lingua Italiana delle Origini ID

Motivation

Discussion

Wikibase form

Wikibase sense

‎SALDO sense ID

Motivation

Discussion

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